Slack cables
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Slack cables
Hi
I have to model a series of slack cables. Therefore I am trying to set a link with a gap_hk between two coincident nodes at the middle of each cable-element and assign 3K stiffness for each element class so the total stiffness of the slack cable brace will be K. Unfortunately, I’m not sure the way I model the link is correct and while I run the analysis, it gives the error "Unable to apply the entire phase load"
Could you please give me a clue about my problem?
Regards.
I have to model a series of slack cables. Therefore I am trying to set a link with a gap_hk between two coincident nodes at the middle of each cable-element and assign 3K stiffness for each element class so the total stiffness of the slack cable brace will be K. Unfortunately, I’m not sure the way I model the link is correct and while I run the analysis, it gives the error "Unable to apply the entire phase load"
Could you please give me a clue about my problem?
Regards.
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Re: Slack cables
If you carry out a search on "Unable to apply the entire phase load" you will find plenty of resources on the forum. Have you tried to run eigenvalue analysis with the model? It will give you a very good insight of the connectivity of your members.
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Re: Slack cables
I can’t find resources how to model slack cables in your website. Unfortunately, I’m not sure the way I model the link is correct. Could you please take a look at my project?
Thank you for the help
Thank you for the help
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Re: Slack cables
Why do you use the gap_hk curve. The lin_asm curve with zero stiffness in compression seems a better option.
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Re: Slack cables
So how can I model the slackness of the cable with lin_asm curve in tension?
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Re: Slack cables
You may use the lin_asm curve to cut off compression (zero stiffness),whereas in tension the stiffness may be positive with a large value, so that the stiffness of the cable is determined by the linear elements (frame or truss). Note that there are no specific models in SeismoStruct to model the cable slackness.
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Re: Slack cables
Would you like to take a look at my model? I'm working on my thesis and need your help
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1oa0onjjrvp3c ... d.spf?dl=0
Regards
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1oa0onjjrvp3c ... d.spf?dl=0
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Re: Slack cables
It seems that the convergence problems start, when the gap-hook curve reaches the displacement limit in tension.
Maybe the diagonal struts (or most probably the frame elements close to them) cannot accommodate the additional forces created by the sudden increase in the link F1 force.
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Maybe the diagonal struts (or most probably the frame elements close to them) cannot accommodate the additional forces created by the sudden increase in the link F1 force.
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Re: Slack cables
Thanks a lot
Would you recommend any solution for this convergence problems?
Would you recommend any solution for this convergence problems?
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Re: Slack cables
Unfortunately, we cannot fully understand your model and how the gap-hook curve operates. If you carry our a search in the forum you will find plenty of resources on convergence difficulties and how to solve them. Also watch the video below from our Youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6tAyoofDog
Regarding your structural model, you should probably discuss these issues with your supervisor, since the details of the model are out of the scope of the current forum.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6tAyoofDog
Regarding your structural model, you should probably discuss these issues with your supervisor, since the details of the model are out of the scope of the current forum.
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